Happy With Mark Helfrich?

Helfrich Featured photo 2

What a difference a couple of games makes in our impression of the Ducks and Head Coach Mark Helfrich!  With the losses to Stanford and Arizona, along with the poor momentum at the end of last season–it all pointed to a big make-or-break year in 2014 for Coach Helfrich in the eyes of many fans.  I heard it often … the murmuring among the Oregon faithful, the question asked in media interviews (twice), to my surprise.  We all heard about it going into the Michigan State game, and they alluded to it in the telecast. Everyone wants it to work out for Coach Helfrich, but they are reserving judgment to the end of this season, so to many this is a pivotal year that could end with a changing of the HC at Oregon (again … in the eyes of a percentage of Oregon fans).

Now aside from whether or not it was fair, and without going into last year with Mariota’s injury, etc … how do you feel now about the Oregon Head Coach?

I will go out on a limb and say … we are doing better than I hoped for!  I was counting on the young receivers to emerge, and boy have they; I was hoping for a little more passing in the offense this year due to the presence of Mariota, and the stats confirm my wishes.  After three games there have been 26% more running plays (115 to 91) but the passing game has brought about 36% more yardage (991 vs. 729). We are balanced, with the edge to the passing game, which makes sense considering our QB.

Defensive Coordinator Don Pellum

Cliff Grassmick

Defensive Coordinator Don Pellum

Concerning our defense–I got questions all through the off-season about whether Oregon was going to take a step down with new Defensive Coordinator Don Pellum … but I told them that we would at least be as good, and perhaps better.  So far, we have seen excellent adjustments at halftime, although the Cougars are going to strain Oregon’s defensive stats.

What are you thinking now about the future of Oregon football?

I am feeling very good about the future in terms of recruiting, the emerging balance on offense, and the surprising game plans. But I would like to hear what the pondering readers here have to say; are you happy with Helf?

FishDuck

Top Photo by Gary Breedlove

Print Friendly

 Volunteer Position Openings:

--Media Management/Supervisor:  We are looking for someone beyond college age who can help manage students and mentor in a number of different departments. Expertise is not required as organizational skills and interest in guiding others.   --Assistant Football Analyst: Love college football and enjoy watching it for hours? We need associates to view games and find the techniques/teaching points we identify for them in advance.  You will be recognized in publications, and could have the opportunity to move to full Analyst.   --College Football Analyst: We are looking for Coaches, or retired coaches to help create analysis videos (we do the video part) that will be viewed by thousands, and will help young football players as well as fans understand the game much better. The national recognition will help your resume' as well as make an impact upon the game we all dearly love.   --Video Specialist: We are looking for help in the Eugene/Springfield area to assist with the shooting and editing of analysis videos.   All Positions: Send a resume' with full contact information and any writing samples you have to charles@fishduck.com  Again, these are volunteer positions donating five hours a week each.

Charles Fischer

Charles Fischer

Charles Fischer has been an intense fan of the Ducks for thirty years and has written reports on football boards for over a dozen years. Known as “FishDuck” on those boards, he is acknowledged for providing intense detail in his scrimmage reports and in his Xs and Os play analyses. He and his wife Lois, a daughter, Christine, and their dog (Abbie) reside in Eugene, Oregon, where he has been a financial advisor for 30 years serving clients in seven different states. He does not profess to be a coach or analyst, but simply a “hack” that enjoys sharing what he has learned and invites others to correct or add to this body of Oregon Football! See More...

  • BigBallzChipper

    Although it is a great start and I’m very happy with our season so far. I’m still waiting to determine my judgement until end of the season. I’m not on the thinking that its either this season or bust like last year, but what I would like to see is if Helf can take control of the team similar to what Chip did. During Chip’s tenure we never lost to a team like Arizona, and we almost lost to Beavs last year those outliers are exactly the type of thing I want eliminated going forward. I also feel our tempo has slowed down a bit since under Helf. We are usually snapping the ball around 16-18 seconds on the play clock I would like to see that around 24-28 seconds thats is part of our MO. Also I don’t like how we are more pass heavy. My opinion in passing is that it is a momentum killer for us when we get an incompletion or worse a pick. Defense looks good/great specially with the “hidden bear” coming out of the 3-4 set. Now if we can land some great recruits for the defensive side of the ball for this recruiting cycle. That’s my 2₵.

    • DonealDuck

      What pick? 70% completion rate. 10 yards per pass attempt. I have no idea what you are complaining about the passing game.

      • BigBallzChipper

        The 2 in Arizona last year. Yes I know it was last season but those and incompletions really kill our momentum.

        • DonealDuck

          Really?!? You are still complaining about something that happened almost a year ago?

          What would YOU think if your boss continually brought up 2 mistakes YOU made (actually YOU only made one of the mistakes; somebody else at your work made the other one; but the way the company does it’s books it somehow goes on YOUR employment record even though it wasn’t your fault at all) almost a year ago even though you have been PERFECT the last few months?!?

    • FishDuck

      See my comments above losing to unranked teams and waiting to reserve judgment until it is over. (I think waiting until it’s over is a WUS way of doing it. Live like Chip and go all-out and make a prediction!)

      On tempo….Helf is using more discretion in WHEN he uses the fast tempo. We have three speeds of tempo that was discussed in the past; Green light which is rapid plays, often with a play package called in advance, yellow which is moderate and normal game speed, (fast but not blurring) and then red which is used to burn clock. You saw this at the end of the MSU game.

      On passing? The only way for Helfrich to stay ahead of everyone was to integrate more passing into the attack and I LOVE how it places so much pressure on the defense. DBs get caught peeking into the backfield and burned downfield for huge explosion pass plays…but the HAVE to watch the backfield due to our rushing attack.

      Now they have to watch for pass routes? Then they sucked into a bad spot as Stanford did to his MSU Db on the Power Play TD in the 4th qtr of the MSU game. We had toasted them so much through the air that he HAD to watch the pass route; then we use that to clear a running lane for a TD.

      Now THAT is what a balanced attack that has explosion plays in running and passing can do. If they are stuck on primarily checking for the run–then we don’t score as much. I believe this WAS the next step for this offense, and that was to become more balanced and Helfrich/Frost have done it, and done with YOUNG personnel.

      Truly masterful coaching IMHO.

      FishDuck

      • BigBallzChipper

        Charles,
        The handle is just something I picked up on a whim as a throwaway. I like the sound of it. I don’t believe enough in my CFB analysis abilities to make a call like yourself and that is why I will reserve judgement until end of the season (yes I know safer as you put it WUS way).

        As for the Tempo yes I did notice the “red light” tempo we went to similiar to the Rose Bowl when we wanted to eat the clock. However, I was unaware of the other two thanks for opening my eyes.

        On passing I see what you are saying and understand it puts more pressure on the DB to keep them honest, but something in the fiber of my being tells me this is bad. First we will more than likely not see another QB similar to MM in a long time at UO. Secondly I think it places too much pressure on the QB and forces him to be the crux of the offense versus the focal point hence why I think MM got injured last season, and the flip that had my heart in my throat in the last game. I think if we play like we had DT instead of MM at QB it would be to our advantage. Because the team would never look to one person to kick start the offense and get things going. I think we have grown too dependant on a once-in-a-generation QB like MM. Thirdly when passing there are 3 outcomes when passing complete, incompletion, or a pick. 2 out of 3 of those are momentum killers specially in a offense like ours. Nothing sucks more than a few quick dropped passes and its 3 and out. At least when you run it you get most of the time 1 yard. This is just my humble opinion I just don’t like the passes.

        and for the Balanced attack. Yes I see your point here. I can see why you think the pass is the next natural progression, but I just have a bad gut feeling about this. Well thats my opinion maybe yours is more likely since you have been watching CF for sometime now and I’m pretty new to the game.

        Chipper

      • hokieduck

        I agree with everything you have said, Charles, but I think the “green light” tempo when Chip ran it (and today) did not have pre-called plays (that would have required thinking across the board). Most of the true “blur” or green lighting is done with the team simply lining up for the same play call over and over again and playing the down according to how the defense reacted to the plays in succession. That was what was so devastating. It was simple. Everyone knew what was coming, but it came so fast and relentlessly that if they made the smallest mistake in alignment or communication or execution, BANG. Oregon’s weapons exploded.

        The brilliance of Oregon’s scheme is that the same play can result in 3 or 4 or more different executions, from runs to passes to QB keepers. It places immense pressure on the defense which is getting more and more physically and mentally exhausted with each successive snap.

        Helfrich has gone away from that, and I miss it! But I have realized that his way of playing is to do kind of the same thing by using the strengths of the players that he has. Mariota? Devon Allen? The hydra of Tyner and Marshall and Freeman? Michigan State was a perfect example: he used Tyner to pound early with Marshall stinging in the TAZR spot, part slot part backfield. Then in the second half/fourth quarter turning a totally fresh and devastating Royce Freeman loose on a tired defense.

        I miss the blur, I do. It was just plain fun to watch. But Helfrich is putting his imprimatur on this team. Time will tell whether it is a good one, a great one, or one we have to move away from. But Oregon is not one of those schools that fires coaches willy nilly. Thank the gods.

    • hokieduck

      “My opinion in passing is that it is a momentum killer for us when we get an incompletion or worse a pick.”

      You mean like those 4 incompletions out of 25 throws and 5 TDs of last week? And zero interceptions so far this year? I see your point…

      Oregon has a Ferrari running the offense. If the coaching staff fails to run this machine as hard as they can through that Ferrari, then they are truly not fit to coach.

  • hvrli

    My 2₵…

    I like Mark. I can’t see anyone better to be the Ducks HC. But I’m also reserving my judgement until we see how the team does after Marcus has moved on. Marcus can make any coach look good.

    With Chip, the program was a forward thinking program and the clear leader of the PAC. With Mark, I feel like the team is only a half step in front, with the rest of the PAC breathing down on the programs neck. I realize not everyone can be the genius that Chip is, but Mark needs to at least keep the program as, or more, focused and motivated for every game regardless of the opponent. (Fast. Hard. Finish.) Which makes the loss to AZ last year very disappointing to me, and not being motivated coming out against Wyoming — http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2014/09/torrodney_prevot_after_putting.html

    • FishDuck

      Not being motivated? There is quite a rub here, as Chip treated them all the same which prevented upsets from teams rated below us…yet he kept them down from perhaps being jacked up for a big game. Could that have hurt us in some of the big games we lost under Chip?

      Chip was the innovator with the Spread and the No-Huddle in the Pac-12, and now everyone has caught up. Would he have a no innovation if he were still here? No…and if there was something new–we would see on Sundays in his new location.

      I think Mark has learned a ton from his first year, and we are already seeing he is better this year already. As I said…I’m sticking my neck out early (before the season as I wrote above) It is easy after-the-fact to say whether he was the right coach.

      Of course something nobody speaks of is…who else should we have gone after? There are not many I would have turned to. I wanted Malzahn before he went back to Auburn….but he would have altered our Spread into his “Inverted Veer’ type of Zone Read. I like the continuity of offense with Helf.

      The other major candidate I wanted? Rich-Rod at Arizona! His is the closest to Chip’s offense other than what Helf is doing.

      FD.

      • hvrli

        Yes, Not Motivated, and not just my opinion. Per Torrodney:

        “Looking really sloppy in warm-ups,” Prevot said. “It was just a feeling that the Michigan State game feeling to the Wyoming feeling was a total different atmosphere. … I just saw how we were the entire day. How we were on the bus, how we were going through “Walk of Champions,” it’s just a feeling you get that nothing’s the same. You have to figure it out what it is.”

        It’s great that the sophomore took it upon himself to do something, say something, to the team. But shouldn’t that be the coaches job? I think it is.

  • fairweatherfowl

    Most current Helfrich complainers won’t ever be happy. They expect him to do even better than Kelly. Kelly lost his first game as head coach. Kelly ended his first season as head coach with a record of 10-3, the same as Belloti. Kelly lost his first bowl game as a head coach. I suppose the Mark haters would have dumped Kelly his first year. After looking back, those same people have deified Kelly.

    After his first year, Helfrich’s record was 11-2. As a head coach he won his first bowl game. His first recruiting class has 11 true freshmen playing.

    Helfrich took a job where he could never exceed the last guy, but he was culturally the next man up. To prove himself, Helfrich should get at least the same 4 years Chip had, even if he probably can’t be more successful.

    Helfrich certainly has dedication and self-confidence, even the hater fans don’t. Other colleges had been chasing him for years. But he wanted to stay at Oregon. He wanted to keep the ‘football family’ together. He’s already proven himself a winner.

    • hvrli

      Chip inherited a Bowl team led by Jeremiah, Mark inherited a BCS Bowl team led by Marcus. In Chip’s spare time during his first year, he transformed the entire culture and national recognition of the program. So please stop comparing Mark to Chip. It’s not even close.

      • rcs410

        ^ the guy nailed it.

      • fairweatherfowl

        Kelly was hired specifically to change the culture. Nutrition, yoga, full speed practice from locker to locker. Had he not changed the culture he would have failed one purpose for which he was hired.

        The comparison is they both were promoted from OC to head coach. The primary difference is Kelly had time to prove himself. Helfrich only has one year–a first year that ended with one more win and one less loss than Kelly’s first year.

        Except while the Oregon offensive coordinator Helfrich found, recruited, coached, and kept Marcus for an extra year. Mazoli was recruited during Kelly’s stint as OC.

        You don’t even know how close it is, but when comparing apples to apples, the facts to date would objectively show otherwise.

        • hvrli

          I see, FairWeather…
          I’m going to search around online to see if I can find Chip’s job description when he was hired as the Head Coach of the football program. If I can’t find it, I’ll come back to ask you to point me to where you found it showing that Chip was hired as the HC to “specifically change the culture, Nutrition, add yoga, and full speed practice from locker to locker,” and not because of his X’s and O’s. Sounds odd to me, and I’ve never heard or read that before.

          • fairweatherfowl

            I regret making a statement of fact that I cannot prove. I remember
            watching Bellotti talk about Kelly’s hire and Kelly’s unusual approach
            to playing spread offense. He also talked about a change in the
            culture. But, it is only a recollection.

            It is possible that he
            was talking merely about changing the playing culture rather than the
            larger team culture. But Kelly did change the team culture.

            I
            prefer to admit to my errors. Thanks for pointing out a weakness in my
            argument. The balance of my post is opinion.

          • hvrli

            I appreciate that, FairWeather. Thanks!

  • rcs410

    So thoroughly disappointed with Helfrich. He fails to do his job on a day to day basis, the kids never “Win the Day” on the road and instead focus on yesterday w/crap like “You vs. Yesterday”. The man is nice person, but DOES NOT BELONG ON THE SIDELINES OF OREGON FOOTBALL as anyone who has never actually had any scintilla of experience in college football should NOT be the head coach of a top ten school like Oregon has been this past decade. Important things like – I don’t know – resumes should be considered, and as it stands right now, a FIRST TIME HEAD COACH is on our sidelines. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Figure it out Oregon.

    • fairweatherfowl

      Kelly’s first job as a head coach was at Oregon.

      • disqus_Zh8hDRwXyI

        I thought he’d headed Vermont or New Hampshire ?

        • fairweatherfowl

          He was the OC at New Hampshire when Oregon hired him. I don’t think he ever coached at Vermont at all.

          • disqus_Zh8hDRwXyI

            Thanks !

          • disqus_Zh8hDRwXyI

            Thanks for the info !

    • BigBallzChipper

      Keep in mind it was Chip that lobbied for Helf. If you don’t believe in Helf then you didn’t believe in Chip! You have to understand that Chip sees something in Helf and that’s why I will back up Helf until he proves me wrong!

      • rcs410

        That’s a “jumping to conclusions” fallacy of logic if I ever saw one! No, Chip stood up for his assistant coaches, but his ego and pride (which good coaches have, btw) did NOT make him a suitable voice for who the next coach in waiting should be. Chip saw a person in Helfrich who would do as he told him, and Chip was far more focused on his own future – due to inherent Asperger’s, which he likely has – than he was on Oregon’s own future. Time to smell the roses and sniff out what is real from what was written.

        • BigBallzChipper

          Call it what you will, but I can tell Chip loves Oregon. He only left because of the dreams you mentioned, but no one likes to leave and see the house they built crumble that is exactly why you’re thinking above is flawed which why I reject it and substitute in my own!

        • hokieduck

          Aspergers? Brady Hoke? Spelling errors?

          I don’t know whether to continue to laugh at your posts or skip over them. It feels almost like driving by a horrible wreck on the freeway.

          If Fishduck is beneath your intelligence, I suggest you start your own blog where you can be as critical as you want of everything that you are viewing through your distorted lens from the outside. Fishduck is certainly not perfect and there are writers on here whom I do not read; however, this site is unique in college football. Of course, there are puff pieces, but there are also really good, strategic football pieces.

          As to Helfrich, it is in Oregon’s best interests to give him a chance to prove himself. He has barely wet his feet. Anyone following Chip Kelly is going to have a difficult time in comparison. Chip is once in a generation; we are so fortunate to have had him for seven years.

          As was stated above, Helfrich was Chip’s pick, very decidedly, for following him. I am willing to give him a chance to grow before I castigate him as not good enough. He is young. He is recruiting early and well. He makes terrific half time adjustments. He also has flaws. He does not have the kids focused as well as Chip did; he seems to have lost the focus on winning every single day. But just as the kids are young and inexperienced and growing, so is this coach.

          I am in this for the long haul (being a Duck fan). The continuity of the coaching staff for Oregon is unique in the nation and leads to many good things about the program that we can only guess about (or forge wild, crazy opinions over).

          I feel badly for you, rcs, if your ire is so easily wrought over the fact that a volunteer online website created by a longtime Duck fan and ex-football player is not contentious and complaining and critical enough for your liking.

          Go Ducks. WTD.

          • rcs410

            And I feel bad for you HokieDuck that the two programs you follow choose to cling on – however ironically in Oregon’s case – to continuity, which as Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan have all found out, simply does not work. Change is a good thing, and we need to embrace it, not fear it. Chip never gave Oregon an absolute about his successor (you can’t verifiably back up your claim he was “chosen” by Chip) and listening to you, I realize you are a “fan” whereas I admittedly only donate money to Oregon athletics (mostly because I work in Maryland). “FishDuck” should be about helping Oregon find it’s way in the collegiate landscape, and not about how “awesome” the Ducks are. Right now, an argument could be made Oregon and USC both have the worst coaches in the conference – I know you disagree – but the fact that that sort of thing can be argued isn’t acceptable to many donors. Oregon and USC are good for the conference, so they should always be held to higher standards. The day you and Charles and others on this website understand that, the smarter you will be and the better traffic this site will get. Go Ducks.

          • hokieduck

            I bow to your greater knowledge in all things. And I sure as heck wish Frank Beamer would pull a Mack Brown. Waaay past time. Have a good weekend.

          • Duckman45

            First off change is not always a good thing, sometimes yes, but not always. Having consistent assistant coaches has helped get recruits because they know they will be here all 4 years. Second you said “”FishDuck” should be about helping Oregon find it’s way in the collegiate landscape,” That is one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen. Fishduck should be about what ever he wants, not what you think. You would make a good dictator, telling people what they should or should not do.

          • rcs410

            First off, as Lao Tzu said, “if [one] does not change direction, [they] may end up where they are heading. And as the Ducks are heading towards fewer impressive performances in a gradual decline (as the secondary weakens and as the offensive line yields to attrition) I can only surmise that you’ve experienced very little success in your life due towards your attitude regarding “change.” Best of luck to you, for it is clear to me that luck is all you have.

          • Duckman45

            I never said change was bad. But changing for the sake of change is just as bad as not changing at all. Lao Tzu quote makes no sense in this situation. I hope the Ducks keep heading in the directions that they are going, that is winning. Are there some problems with the team, yes. Can they be solved, of course they can. I am not willing to abandon a 4-0 ship. If you do not like Fishducks views, start your own site. That way all the negative people in the world can go to it and pout together. I have been a duck fan for over 40 years, so maybe my perspective is a little different then yours. My guess, I could be wrong, is that you have never been a fan when the Ducks were really bad. If Oregon would not have been loyal to Rich Brooks we would not be where we are today. Look around the country, many of the so called big names coaches are struggling, Florida, Texas, Michigan. All of these school have major recruiting advantages and access to the best coaches but they are still struggling. How many coaches have more experience in the spread offense then Helfrich? Not many.

          • rcs410

            I guess I’m just so new blood then. I don’t let emotion take a hold over me like most “fans.” I ask for competency, not that my team wins every game. And any blind observer just listening to the players can tell something is off. It’s not that hard to admit, dude. Would you really be shocked if they lost four games this year? I wouldn’t. The new fans aren’t spoiled – they just have high standards. And that’s what they should have. I have just as much respect for an old fan as I do for a new one, but I’m aware the new fans don’t let partiality into the game whereas the old ones cling to it like it’s a son. The Lao Tzu quote has never been more appropriate, and not just in the context of sports.

          • fairweatherfoul

            A Lao Tsu quote that seem appropriate regarding your “change now” solution to your premature anxiety:

            “Do you have the patience to wait
            Till your mud settles and the water is clear?
            Can you remain unmoving
            Till the right action arises by itself?”

          • rcs410

            the corners sure can’t, as they’re constantly out of position and chasing the wide open receivers, traipsing along down the field. the question lao would ask you is are you wading or drowning? the defense statistics measure out as one of the worst in the country… wading they are not. don’t change now… but change soon, absolutely.

          • fairweatherfoul

            Many narcissists think they have a “solution,” so they manufacture an appropriate problem.

  • rcs410

    Washington State just gained, on ONE play, more rushing yards against the Ducks than they have this entire season. UNACCEPTABLE.

  • rcs410

    Art Briles, Rich Rodriguez, Craig Bohl… these are the names we should be trotting out as coaches. We don’t need replacements at all, we need actual coaches, which is what Chip Kelly was. These guys have been with the program for a long time and have earned their accolades, but it’s time for us to move on as a program at GET OVER MARK HELFRICH.

    • fairweatherfowl

      They all have jobs. You’ll just have to hate and suffer through another year, at least.

    • bbb

      Seriously? RichRod was a disaster at Michigan and was run out on a rail. I’d rather not join other programs on a coaching carousel that cleans out the coaching staff every few years. Oregon’s winning percentage is one of the best in the last 5-6 years and won’t necessarily get better with a big name.

      • rcs410

        Brady Hoke is a decent coach (at least has a quality track record) and he too was run out of Michigan. Michigan is a tirefire. Yes, Oregon’s winning percentage would be better with a big name and a quality coach. Coaching matters in this league with an infusion of coaching talent, and Oregon has one of the worst coaches in the league bar none.

        • fairweatherfowl

          As of last night, Brady Hoke IS the coach of Michigan.

          • rcs410

            He’s on the sidelines, he’s the current coach, yes, but he’s been run out.

      • disqus_Zh8hDRwXyI

        Chip was not a big name, but a very astute choice to bring the Ducks to an unprecedented level of success. The promotion of Helf swung on CK’s recommending it.
        Still hope the Ducks can win their next game and so on but, I have little serious doubts about Mark Helfrich’s coaching abilities ever since the epic fail to get the team re-grouped and ready to give their best the rest of the way after losing to Stanford. There’s something about his style of communication in press times that seems convoluted,vague, and simplistic. Every response I have heard to obvious shortcomings and how to go about correcting them has the pat response of “we’ll just coach them up.” The tackling techniques have not changed, are suspect (arm tackling, and blocking carriers rather than wrapping up) and have not been coached up to any degree that I can notice a change. I think the Arizona game will be the one by which I can get on Helf’s bandwagon. Tally me unconvinced, but hopeful. Bob Chuey

  • Duckman45

    My only concern with MH is he going to be able to make coaching changes if he has to. He is doing a better job of recruiting then Chip ever did and he is not interested in leaving Oregon. The coach I am worried about is Pellum, he needs to be more creative. He rushed 3 guys most of the night and they kept completing passes down the field. When he did rush 4-5 Conner H. rushed his throws and missed his mark a number of times. If 3 guys are not doing the trick do something different.

    • rcs410

      Chip recruiting in the top fifteen actually, with one year having the ninth best recruiting class. Helfrich isn’t even in the top twenty, although he’s positioned higher for this upcoming year (i think he’s at 18th overall). So no, that’s not accurate, actually is false.

      • FishDuck

        Helfrich is playing a ton of RS Freshmen from a recruiting class that he retained when Chip left and we have a ton of Freshmen MORE playing right now. Why?

        Could it be that the recruiting classes of Chip were not as good as advertised?

        YOU are making the false claim. Chip had one top-ten recruiting class and the current HC was the one who discovered, recruited, and developed our QB going for the Heisman. Oregon has NEVER had this many verbal commits at Sept 1st before, and we are poised for one of the best, if not THE best recruiting class ever.

        You need to pump the brakes on your hyperbole.

        • rcs410

          “THE BEST recruiting class ever” – which it unlikely will be – is the very definition of hyperbole. I looked it up in Merriam Websters, and you’re using the absolute, not me. Block me if you want, but I’m correct here.

          The false claim is mine? Prove it. I said he recruited in the top fifteen (he did), and you’re stating that the replacement head coach was responsible for the recruitment of one person? That kind of logic is meant for quantum physics and parallel universes, and any fully-functioning human being capable of thought and logic would suffer from an aneurysm from the sheer insanity you proffer with that sort of statement.

          Could it be that Chip’s players – recruited as both an offensive coordinator and as a head coach – were overrated? They won two BCS bowls, probably should have won three, and were responsible for three PAC-12 titles. No, they were not overrated, and the better talent that accrued led to better classes and eventually the 2012 Oregon Ducks, which were – by far – the best assembled team in the history of the school by S&P and FPI indices.

          You made a post yesterday along the lines of “Look at Helf now” and I did last night. He’s a very nice man and a pretty poor game planner with moderate but not elite adjustments at halftime. He also will thoroughly get outcoached in the PAC-12, which has an influx of talented coaches at the historically less-football-crazed schools. It’s mostly consensus at this point, but if you enjoy a subpar defense and a shaky offensive line year-to-year, then maybe that’s what Oregon should be? Frankly, I enjoy the detail-oriented and “win the day” Ducks who at least look decently coached. Again, everyone has their own vision and version for what Oregon should be and I respect that.

          Pump the brakes on pumping up the sunshine and rainbows, would be my advice in return, and maybe write a critical article every now and then. It’s perfectly fine to be critical, and I think a critical perspective would help out your website immensely, plus it would further your legitimacy throughout the west coast. FishDuck used to be about schematics and strategy; lately it’s fallen on hard times and has turned – however unfortunately – into a sunshine-pumping, rainbow-dreaming message board. You can be smarter than that, Charles. You really can.

          • FishDuck

            You gotta chuckle at the internet tough guys who hide behind a handle. I put my name out there and deal with what I write and predict.

            Too many journalists out there wish to establish themselves by making their bones at Oregon’s expense. We prefer instead to focus on the positive; we are not blind to areas of improvement needed, and for those who have read our analyses this summer…they saw in constructive ways of what our weaknesses against Stanford were and how we needed to improve.

            I assume you missed that; go to the tab above “Directory” and scroll down to Fish Reports, and look for Coaches Levi, Peterson, and Daniel.

            It can be done without being mean, and the ranting. It just happens that I don’t agree with most of the nonsense spouted about right now and I will write further about it later….under my real name.

            But right now I am putting in eight hours working on an analysis to help other Duck fans learn more. What are you doing to help the faithful besides spewing unsubstantiated negative?

            Behold the hidden web critics!

          • BigBallzChipper

            Charles,

            Are you going to do an analysis of last nights game? I would love to read it, and it would explain a lot things that I saw and didn’t understand.

          • hvrli

            Charles,

            I’m not trying to be a jerk, or trolling you, but BigBalls has a great point here. Any chance you can do an analysis of what went wrong with the Ducks O-line blocking, or defensive break downs in the WSU game. I know you can do it in a way that’s not “hating”. But sometimes, we learn more from our mistakes more than we can from our triumphs. I always want my tennis teammates to be critical of my play whether it’s a win or loss so that I can hopefully improve my game.

          • fairweatherfowl

            “That kind of logic is meant for quantum physics and parallel universes,
            and any fully-functioning human being capable of thought and logic would
            suffer from an aneurysm from the sheer insanity you proffer with that
            sort of statement.”

            So, does this mean you suffered an aneurism? If not, does this mean you are NOT a fully functioning human being?

            I’m betting on the second.

          • rcs410

            Oh, i’m sure you wish me dead for my opinion – btw, notice how i didn’t judge you for yours – but at least I don’t suffer a spelling error. the word is “aneurysm” not “aneurism”, champ.

          • fairweatherfowl

            I merely ask you if you suffered from what you accused others of (point out my my preposition at the end of the sentence if you wish.

            When you start refuting my arguments with ‘spelling errors” you don’t have much left. But I certainly don’t wish you harm for your opinions. Open minds often change opinions.

          • fairweatherfowl

            aneurysm |ˈanyəˌrizəm| (also aneurism)
            noun Medicine

          • Chris Andres

            You know, being critical doesn’t have to be done with a can of gas and a handful of matches. It can be done tastefully, which I believe Fishduck does. If you don’t like what they write, then why do you come here?

      • Duckman45

        Oregon is getting more recruits in to look at Oregon now then when Chip was here. I realize that has a lot to do with Chip. I might be wrong but I do not remember Chip every getting the #1 recruit in the country to visit. You are right, currently we are 18th but the rankings are based not just on stars but also quantity. We have less verbals then anyone in front of us. If we get 5 more verbals from three star recruits we would probably move up to the top 12. MSU is 13th but they have less 80 graded players, it is just that they have 27 verbals to our 13. Also, look back at all those great classes the chip had, many of them never contributed for Oregon. Also the National Championship game was with players that were mostly recruited by MB not chip. Not that I did not like Chip, I thought he was a great coach but we were just a quick stop for him. Helfrich will retire at Oregon if he does a good job.

  • FishDuck

    For rcs410……

    Today, Sept 30th, has an analysis about a terrible problem the Ducks had in the last game…Oregon’s pass protection. Note MY method of discussing it when it is published at 8:30 AM Pacific time. We painfully examine the problem without being nasty, look at examples of how it is done correctly, and use the opportunity as a learning experience for the fan. THAT is how this site operates; we don’t ignore the negative, but we do not use the negative to take unnecessary shots at Oregon.

    My rhetorical question to all the rcs fans out there….what if we go undefeated? What are you going to do then? What are you going to say then?

    You will be remembered as the guy who hates on the Ducks, even when they are winning….

    • rcs410

      Nope, I am now remembered as the guy who loved the Ducks enough to provide the proper critique and call a spade a spade, while you are now remembered as the guy who wrote two things: one, an ill-timed pro-Mark Helfrich article which negated the strengths of Oregon football in favor of supporting one man (who continually doesn’t not abide by Oregon football principles), and two, a “saving face” critique once he was called out, about as late as Don Pellum’s defense attacking on third down.

      BTW, my comments have got the up votes, dude. I’ve nothing against you personally, but it’s obvious you were a bit lost on this commentary’s core argument. I hope the best for you in the future, but the rap is out for this site online. Just analysis (btw, it is a good analysis), and fewer commentaries, is what FishDuck needs. I’m just another poster trying to provide what Oregon football needs from it’s fans: national standards to abide to, not local.

      In the end, we are both fans of Oregon. But you support the coaches and I don’t. Simply comes to that, and as long as you understand that, you’ll be better off for it.

      • FishDuck

        Ah yes….the tough internet guy hiding behind a handle again. ANYBODY can talk negative on the Ducks right now, and if you want that–go to the message boards and roll around in the negative. You are not unique, but one of thousands who are stating the obvious about the Ducks.

        It is harder to man-up and go beyond that–to make rational decisions about how you feel the program should move toward when truly looking at all the components of the current situation. I will provide that for you Tuesday morning.

        The word on the ‘net about this site? Where have you been? We have said from the beginning that we are here for the “Next-Level” fan who wants to learn a little and ponder things, but we are not going negative on the Ducks as so many others have. I have lost readers, writers, and a business partner over that issue….so I am not changing now. If I believe a change of coaches is warranted–I will say so. But to blast them right now is the easy thing to do and flat-out wrong.

        Again…more on that Tuesday.

        • rcs410

          If you’ve lost all those writers, all that help, perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your position regarding what perspective you should take towards Oregon. I agree it’s not valuable to be negative, but one definitely can provide a critique. I think you misconstrue the two tones, and that is why you find yourself in this argument with these writers.

          • FishDuck

            We now have more writers than ever in the history of the site, and everyone understands our tone. Again–this site has had quite a number of analysis articles about Oregon’s shortcomings without the bile of the message boards. I addressed it myself with the most recent analysis on the front page of the site.

            That is the way we will do it on this site and for those who want the negative blasting….they have everywhere else to go. This is a sanctuary for those readers who want to learn without the bitterness.

            If you want it done different–create your own site and do it your way.

          • rcs410

            No one ever learns without bitterness. We laugh, we cry. It’s human nature to learn through suffering, not through optimism. I came to this site because I expected intelligence. I guess it’s been replaced with partiality. Best of luck, Robert

          • FishDuck

            I’m partial? Now that is a new one! (Tongue-in-cheek here) Of course I’m partial….every decision made in my analysis articles as to what to present and how to present it is partial and biased. No surprise, and a lame fall-back for you.

            Bitterness is intelligence? No Robert, bitterness is bitterness. It IS best you leave the site, because my analysis this Tuesday will put you into seizures with disagreement. And we would have another long exchange….

          • rcs410

            Oh, you’re definitely partial to Mark Helfrich who you see as someone like you – inherently benevolent and hard-working. Those are great attributes, but they will not suffice for the Oregon head coaching position. And bitterness is NOT intelligence – again, you miss the point – one must learn through bitterness and suffering. But then again, you live in Oregon – a great but poor economic state – so you struggle to attune yourself to how to thrive and succeed in a career, which people like Chip Kelly understand firsthand.

            I couldn’t care less for your future argument. All arguments for Mark Helfrich as a coach are stale at this point, and I’ll again be validated when Don Pellum and Mark Helfrich are canned at the end of this season.

            You have no idea how embarrassing this upcoming loss will be to UCLA. You’re oblivious now – and you can write whatever you want Tuesday, you’re entirely free to do so – but I’ll take Saturday as MY vindication.

          • Duckman45

            Even though I am starting to see what you are talking about with the Ducks, the problem I am having with you is that you seem to hope that Mark Helfrich fails. I hope he improves as a coach and helps Oregon improve and stay at the top. Do you believe that it is possible for him to improve to the level Oregon deserves? Or is he only good enough to be an assistant?

          • rcs410

            Duckman45, I hope he improves – I really wish the best for him, I do – but I’m also of the opinion that the odds he faces in learning how to be a coach in a coach-heavy conference are decidedly against him. It’s a Catch-22 unlike any other: I root for him as a person, and I appreciate him taking the blame, but he’s a head coaching stop at a smaller school away from coaching at the BCS level, and he seems more a fit for a smaller BCS school than a program of Oregon’s ilk.

        • rcs410

          tough internet guy… lol. my name is robert, and we’ve talked before.

    • fairweatherfowl

      Fish,

      Thanks for providing such an enlightening experience to those of us who read every original article on this site.

      I think of this as an education site. Your avocation has taught many of us so much about about the Xs and Os of football, and about the nuances of the Ducks current style of play. You have sought out expertise to assist you in this task. You’ve accomplished this with a positive and uplifting approach to teaching.

      Please understand that this individual hates Helfrich, not the Ducks. It’s personal. Maybe he hates the current coach because Kelly moved on after assuring that Helfrich would be the successor. He displays animosity toward your site because, 1.) you had the audacity to write a positive piece about a person he views negatively, and 2.) you had the audacity to disagree with his opinion about that article.

      “No one ever learns without bitterness. We laugh, we cry. It’s human nature to learn through suffering, not through optimism.”

      As you can see his opinion is that the only way he can ‘teach’ a lesson to anyone is through suffering and bitterness. Most of us who love to learn disagree with his opinion. I can only hope he doesn’t attempt to teach anything to children.

      You asked a rhetorical question to the fans of rcs410. I doubt you will get an
      answer from that direction because it would appear he has no fans here.

      Maybe he is alone? He is attention seeking, and, in that regard, he has been successful on this thread. Starting now, I hope you will join me and ignore this pathetic troll. His intent is to feed off the acrimony he creates.

      • rcs410

        Couldn’t like Mark any more as a human being. Great guy. Awful coach. Again, you miss the ball completely because you let emotions take control of you. Not a total shocker.

        • Duckman45

          I am starting to be swayed to rcs410 side. I was not ready to jump on the dump Mark bandwagon, now I am looking at possibly thinking about getting on. I do not agree with everything you have said, I still think he is doing a really good recruiting players. Now as a coach I am starting to see things that make me nervous. They seem to be not improving week to week. The offensive and defensive game plans seem almost high school quality, very little creativity. First and goal from the two and you never give the best player (arguably) in the country a throw/run option in 3 plays? Did MM ever run the whole game? That is what opens up the offense. Unless things start to change I am afraid that there might be some truth to what rcs410 has been saying. I will admit when I am wrong, I might be wrong, I hope not for Oregon’s sake.

    • Duckman45

      I do not believe that rcs hates the Ducks, I believe he loves the ducks that is why he is so passionate about them. If he hated them he would not be on this site. He just believes that the coaching staff is not good enough for the Ducks. Only time will tell, I do not care who coaches the ducks, as long as they play hard and are entertaining, which usually means winning.