Tallahassee Police Department and Florida State: A Cozy Relationship?

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On Christmas Eve, 2014, the Tallahassee Police Department (TPD) issued a press release stating that they had given an ESPN reporter, Paula Lavigne, over 300 police reports of incidents involving 360 Florida State University athletes. In the press release, TPD Chief of Police Michael DeLeo stated, “We are committed to ensuring that every citizen of this community, including our university students, know that we take every report of possible criminal activity seriously. We also have an obligation, under state law, to respond to national media requests such as this and have done so professionally and with a commitment to openness.”

Such fine sounding words, especially by a department accused of favoritism and collusion with Florida State University to cover up criminal acts committed by University athletes and to protect them from arrest and prosecution. True or not? Let’s look at the facts.

Bang Bang, Boys Behaving Badly

In November 2012, TPD officers responded to multiple reports of men in a red SUV firing a pellet gun at people on the street adjacent to the FSUcampus. The attack resulted in property damage and at least one person said she feared for her safety. Shortly thereafter, a TPD officer stopped a red Mercury SUV containing three FSU football players, Marvin Bracy, Chris Casher (Jamies Winston’s roommate) and Kenneth Williams. The players identified themselves as FSU players to the officers.

Chief DeLeo and Chief Perry

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Chief DeLeo and Chief Perry

During a search of their vehicle, officers found a semi-automatic pistol BB gun hidden under a rug in the back of the car. Routine police procedure in a similar situations would be to briefly detain the suspects and transport witnesses to the scene to positively identify them; however, in this case officers returned the gun to the players and released them without any further investigation, stating that it wasn’t possible to identify them as the suspects. No charges were filed.

Pellet guns, the BB gun’s big brother, fire a .17 caliber lead projectile with a muzzle velocity that can approach that of a .22 bullet. The CDC reports that each year, approximately 30,000 people, most of them children, are treated in hospital emergency rooms for BB and pellet gun injuries, and that pellet guns can “cause tissue damage similar to that inflicted by powder-charged bullets. Injuries associated with the use of these guns can result in permanent disability or death.”

On November 25, 2012, TPD received a report of two men near campus carrying a long-barreled semi-automatic pistol. Officers responded and took the men down at gunpoint. They were handcuffed and detained. The men turned out to be Casher and Jameis Winston, FSU quarterback, carrying a pellet gun. When questioned, they maintained that they were “hunting squirrels.” The gun was confiscated and the pair was released. No charges were filed.

Pellet gun

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Pellet gun

Five hours later, police were called to a Tallahassee apartment complex where Winston and four other FSU football players were involved in an on-going pellet gun battle. Property damage to the complex amounted to $4200. Criminal mischief resulting in this level of damage is a felony and FSU regulations mandate that players charged with felonies cannot participate in athletic activities. The apartment manager and three other tenants asked to press charges, but then changed their minds after Monk Bonasorte, FSU associate athletic director assured them that they would be recompensed for any damage. Even though TPD general orders state that a decision to arrest or prosecute an individual will not depend on whether the victim is willing to press charges, the players were released without being charged. The University took no disciplinary action against the players.

In June of this year, another pellet gun incident surfaced involving FSU players. Believing at first that real firearms were involved,TPD officers swarmed to an apartment complex on a report of shots fired. A helicopter was scrambled to search for suspects. “Whatever they were using, these weren’t toys you get at Wal-Mart, they had some power behind them,” said Cameron Manning, whose apartment overlooks the scene. “It looked like a drug deal gone bad.” Investigators soon determined that the shootings involved three FSU football players, Devon Cook, Trey Marshall, and wide receiver, Jesus Wilson.

Hey we honor Native Americans, too.

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Hey we honor Native Americans, too.

The lead investigator, Scott Cherry, stated in his report that his superiors, when learning the suspects were FSU players, he was “instructed that the issue would have to be round-tabled with the division chiefs” before charges were filed. The chiefs determined that even though the aggregate damages amounted to more than $1000 on that particular day and although the crime could be classified as a misdemeanor, Criminal Mischief, the players would instead be charged with Disorderly Conduct, a less serious charge. The players were not interviewed until September 2, 2014. They finally appeared in court on October 2, 2014 and against the TPD recommendation were charged with Criminal Mischief.

In October of this year, unlike FSU, North Carolina State suspended seven players for a BB gun incident that occurred off campus.

Boys Playing with Real Guns

In the Christmas Eve report release by TPD, it was learned that Cook, the leading FSU rusher, had been named as an associate in a report of two men brandishing a firearm in July 2014. The term ‘associate’ is not defined in the report or in the available TPD General Orders; however, according to the FBI, the term is most often used when a person is involved or associates with criminal gang members.

Crash Bang, Boys Riding in Cars

Not the hot scooter.

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Not the hot scooter.

Also in June, Wilson, the wide receiver, was involved in a motor scooter accident. Funny as it seems, the scooter was stolen. Wilson claimed that he borrowed the scooter from a person whose name he couldn’t remember. The officer noted in his report that Wilson was an FSU football player and had a good attitude and because of these facts, did not arrest him. The owner later said that a TPD investigator suggested that perhaps he had indeed loaned the scooter to Wilson, whom he had never met, and just had forgotten about it. The owner stated that this was not true. Later, Wilson sent an email to TPD confessing to the crime. He pleaded no contest, served community services and paid a $1000 fine. He was suspended from the team but has now been reinstated.

On October 5, 2014, FSU starting cornerback P.J. Williams was involved in an accident at 2:30 a.m. Williams and his passenger, FSUcornerback, Ronald Darby, fled the scene on foot. A while later, Williams and the other passengers returned to the scene. Initially the accident was reported as a hit and run, but Williams was merely cited for two minor traffic violations. In early morning hit and run cases, drivers are routinely given field sobriety tests. This was not done in this instance. In an interview with the New York Times, Elijah Stiers , an attorney, who helped update the hit and run statute said, “Two-thirty in the morning, people fleeing on foot — at the very least you’ve got to charge them with hit and run. You don’t get out of it just because you come back to the scene.” Just as disturbing, is that although TPD notified the FSU administration and its police department, no police report was filed. Responding to accusations of favoritism by TPB towards the players, the department stated that the failure to file a report was merely a “technical error.”

Crab Legs, Boys Stealing Stuff

In a video gone viral, Winston is seen shoplifting crab legs from a local grocery store on April 30, 2014. Winston told Leon County deputies that he had forgotten to pay. He was issued a noncriminal citation for shoplifting not by TDP, but instead by Leon County Sheriff’s Deputies and he was sentenced to at least 20 hours of community service. Other than a slight slap on the hand from the baseball program, the FSU athletic department reinstated Winston without further penalty.

In July 2012, Winston was also accused of taking a soda from a local Burger King without paying. The franchise manager declined to prosecute and Winston was not charged, nor did the University take any disciplinary action against the player.

Rape

Jameis Winston

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Jameis Winston

On December 7, 2012, an FSU co-ed called police to report that an unknown assailant had raped her that morning after drinking at Potbelly’s, a local college hangout. No progress was made on the case until the victim contacted the lead investigator, Scott Angulo on January 10, 2014, and told him that she had recognized her attacker, Jameis Winston. Angulo did not interview Winston until January 23. On February 11, Angulo closed his case. He did not obtain DNA evidence or phone records from Winston. One witness to the rape, Casher, had recorded the incident, but that recording was never seized as evidence. TPD dropped the case, alleging that the victim refused to cooperate, an allegation she denies.

The victim asserts that the Tallahassee Police Department pressured her to drop the charges. According to Patricia Carroll, the victim’s attorney, Angulo advised her that Tallahassee is a “big football town” and that the woman should reconsider accusing Winston because “she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable.”

A fun fact: the investigator, Angulo, receives payment for working off-duty for the Seminole Boosters, the primary financier of FSU athletics.

Fox Sports alleges that the Florida State University administration and TPD colluded to hamper the rape investigation. On November 8, 2013, the FSU police chief, David Perry, obtained copies of the rape investigation reports and forwarded them to Bonasorte, the FSU associate athletic director. In an e-mail to Perry, Bonasorte said, “You will let me know when it (the report) gets released? I will talk to Jimbo, if released or not … Is TPD legal trying to block it?” The reports shortly thereafter passed into the possession of Winston’s attorney. This happened before the reports were given to State Attorney Willie Meggs, who was responsible for prosecuting the case. Because of this, two critical witnesses discussed the case with Winston’s attorney before being interviewed by Meggs and signed affidavits at the attorney’s behest backing Winston’s claims. Also, vital DNA evidence was not processed until November 2014, almost two years after the initial complaint.

Coach Jimbo strikes up another win

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Coach Jimbo strikes up another win

Meggs was unable to proceed with the prosecution and faulted TPD for their handling of the case. “There was a whole long litany of things that we would have done … you don’t call the defendant to make an appointment to talk about putting him in jail,” Meggs told FOX Sports. “That’s a bass-ackwards way of doing things.”

Winston was never charged with sexual battery and most recently, a student disciplinary court cleared Winston of wrong-doing to which the victim’s attorney said, “The fix was in.”

Federal law mandates that universities promptly investigate allegations of sexual assault. The U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights has opened an investigation into FSU’s handling of the rape allegation.

More fun facts:
Winston’s compassion for women is evident. February 2014: Winston posted a video clip on his Instagram page where he and a teammate sang,  ”She said she wants to take it slow, I’m not that type of guy I’ll letcha know, when I see the red light all I know is go.”  The lyrics are a line from IceJJFish, rap “On the Floor” which celebrates men not taking “no” for an answer from a woman.

In September, Winston jumped on a table in the FSU student union and yelled to the students there, “Blank her right in the blank.” For that he was suspended for one half of a football game. The punishment was later pegged at one full game due to public outcry.

TPD states that they take special care not to reveal the names of sexual assault victims. Apparently, that doesn’t hold true for Winston’s attorney who posted the victim’s name on his twitter feed. She no longer attends FSU.

Tallahassee Police Department Badge

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Tallahassee Police Department Badge

TPD also has demonstrated its compassion for the press. When it released the report named in the freedom of information request, it for some reason forgot to redact the ESPN reporter’s personal information in its release, revealing her name, phone number and e-mail. We can be sure Tomahawk Nation will be sure to get in touch. For an organization so intent on protecting FSU athletes, this is a curious omission.

Jameis Winston isn’t the only Seminole that has shown his disrespect for women. Receiver Gregory Dent was arrested for raping a childhood friend in June of 2013. He was eventually convicted of misdemeanor battery, not sexual battery, and FSU has not ruled out his return to the team.

Former FSU defensive tackle Devonte McCallister was accused of sexual assault in 2011. The victim was characterized in the press as a crack-smoking prostitute. Although the crime occurred in 2011, critical evidence, a cell phone, was not processed for DNA until three years later. Of course, no DNA evidence was recovered. No charges have been filed.

The FSU Band also showed its compassion for the victim with its rendition of “She’s a Hoe.

 

Final fun fact, The Orlando Sentinel reported than in 1987, Monk Bonasorte, a former FSU player, was convicted of distribution of cocaine and sentenced to six months in prison. Yup, he’s the same guy that has his hands deep in the Winston affair.

Have TPD and FSU colluded to protect their players at the detriment of women, other students and citizens of Tallahassee? The facts speak for themselves.

Author’s Note: 

As a police veteran of over 27 years, I, along with many fine men and women in police forces across the nation along with those serving with Tallahasee Police Department, subscribe to the Law Enforcement Code of Ethics which states:

I will never act officiously or permit personal feelings, prejudices, animosities or friendships to influence my decisions. With no compromise for crime and with relentless prosecution of criminals, I will enforce the law courteously and appropriately without fear or favor.

When specific police officers are unfairly accused of favoritism or bias, officers across the country are rightfully angry. When the accusations are true, that breaks their hearts.

 Top Photo Courtesy of Tallahassee.com

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Michael Bigham

Michael Bigham

Raised in the Central Oregon mill town of Prineville beneath deep blue skies and rim rock, I attended the University of Oregon and during my collegiate summers, I worked in a lumber mill and also fought range fires on the Oregon High Desert for the Bureau of Land Management. After graduating from college at the University of Oregon, I swung from being budding hippy to cop work. I’m still wondering about how that came about. I was a police officer with the Port of Portland and after leaving police work, I obtained an MFA degree in Creative Writing from Vermont College. I live in Portland, Oregon with my wife, my daughter and a spunky bichon frise named Pumpkin. I’ve had short stories publishing in two Main Street Press anthologies. Harkness is my first novel.

  • 1pac12fan

    This article puts an uncomfortable knot in my stomach! Shame on FSU and the community of Tallahassee if even half this story is true…

    • FishDuck

      Half true? This came from police reports made public as reported by Michael in the first couple of paragraphs….

      • bob

        Its definitely half trues. I cant say much about most of the article but I have a problem with a few of the spots where there are no links to the reports but thats whatever. The rape portion is what is half truths and only supports your narrative. Maybe you should use the 220 pages of reports from the prosecution to do your pieces about it because the nyt and fox has an agenda and they have reported it as a rape since day one. Having been judge, jury, and executioner of winston from that point they would not be writing up stories with the facts that help show it possible was not a rape but consensual. Instead you are taking those pieces as complete fact and all the facts which is not the case their is some yellow journalism in those pieces.

        • Old Nole

          While clearly not as heinous as rape, yellow journalism is also deplorable (Def.: journalism that is based upon sensationalism and crude exaggeration.) It’s advocacy at the expense of balance. It’s the zeal to generate clicks over responsible reporting. At best, it’s lazy journalism: deliberately recycling some of the published facts mixed with innuendoes and errors.

          If FishDuck cared to deliver a complete story to its readers — aka: responsible journalism — it would have included all the facts, including the following:

          As detailed in an extensive police report that is available on line, the accuser changed her story several times within only a few hours of the alleged incident, saying that she had been knocked unconscious from a blow to the head (but a medical examination revealed no such injury), that she had been drugged at a bar (but two toxicology reports revealed no date rape drug in her system), and that she had passed out from drinking too much at a party (but she was never at that party and the two toxicology reports revealed she hadn’t had that much to drink that night). She told these various accounts to her friends, family, hospital workers, and the police. She then said she had gone voluntarily home with Winston who subsequently forcibly raped her in his bedroom. That is theoretically possible but two eyewitnesses at Winston’s home directly contradict this claim. She has subsequently changed her story several more times.

          The accuser was examined by medical professionals within hours of the incident. She met with detectives twice in the first day. They took evidence. They took samples. By 7:25 AM the morning of the 7th — just hours after receiving the call — the TPD had a rape kit, a toxicology kit and a pair of pink pants with DNA on them (DNA of Winston and her boyfriend). Keep in mind at this point Winston’s name had not come up so there was no cover-up occurring. These aren’t tainted samples. This isn’t botched evidence. All of this was done by the TPD and the staff at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital in a timely manner and in good faith.

          Then the case was suspended “due to lack of cooperation from the victim. If the victim decides to press charges, the case will be pursued” (quotes from the Tallahassee Police report).

          (Interesting aside: The accuser lawyered up over 10 months after the fact, only when Winston began making headlines on the field. Until then he was an unknown redshirt freshman, not a celebrity recognized by everyone on campus.)

          Part of the narrative is the “good old boy” justice. First, with State Attorney Willie Meggs who declined to press charges against Winston in 2013 after investigating the evidence. Football players never come under scrutiny in a town like Tallahassee, right? Tell that to former FSU players who were vigorously pursued by Meggs, detailed in this story from The Tallahassee Democrat: http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20131119/news01/311190017/Former-FSU-NFL-player-fears-Winston

          Then there’s your sloppy account of the student hearing: “…a student disciplinary court cleared Winston of wrong-doing to which the victim’s attorney said, ‘The fix was in.’ ” Sounds like some fellow students who were in awe of Winston couldn’t administer even a slap on the wrist. But FishDuck failed to report that instead of a panel of students and faculty, the usual makeup of such a court, FSU hired retired Florida Supreme Court Justice Major Harding to oversee the proceedings. Harding has nearly 50 years experience on the bench, an unblemished record in the legal community, and is NOT an FSU graduate (undergrad and law degrees from Wake Forest; advanced degrees from U. of Virginia). To say “the fix was in” is a fantasy that fits a convenient narrative, as well as an insult to a distinguished jurist.

          I could go on, but I think fair-minded readers with a sense of objectivity will get the point. Too bad they couldn’t have gotten a more unbiased picture from FishDuck.

        • Mike

          Love Fishduck for the tutorials on the Oregon offense. I actually referred back to your inside/outside zone alignment differences in a state semifinal football game against an opponent we were playing down here in Florida. The oppenent employed the same alignment that you pointed out 3-4 years ago regarding the differences in alignment with the inside and outside zone plays.
          The opinion pieces about FSU’s issues with BB guns, and crab legs are easily scorned upon when your 2500 miles away, and relying on NYT and Fox for your facts.. In this age of click bait, your turning your website into the same click bait as those so-called journalis hacks like Clay Travis and Mark Shlabach have all become.

  • Tallaman

    This article states selected facts in order to paint a tainted picture of what is really happening. Yes these things happened although some details are left out or slanted, but examine all of the other cases involving cops and FSU football players, and then compare them to cops and other schools’ football players before drawing conclusions. But this article does not do that and can be dismissed as homerism. Playing to your audience, saying only what they want to hear.

    • FishDuck

      You do not compare to other schools; you ask yourself “what is right and what is wrong?” Oregon cannot compare their athletes’ conduct…only to what is right and wrong. What has happened at FSU has smeared the university and college football, and you should be ashamed in condoning it.

      As a former cop Michael is ashamed that colleagues in his field would operate in such an unprofessional manner. He is outraged at the law enforcement agencies while the rest of the nation shakes their head at Florida State University, and the football program. You can only ignore so much….

      If you did not like this….you better stay away from FishDuck.com for the next couple of days as there will be more.

  • MAITAIDUCK

    I know this doesn’t mean anything and just my opinion but the facts don’t lie when people show their real identity! This I mean is Winston does things that are not befitting a QB for a D 1 School and everything he’s done since the ” ALLEGED RAPE ” really show’s what a Derelict he truly is and he BLATENTLY does these thing’s for people to see 1st hand. He honestly looks the part and when this young lady accused him of this he wasn’t at the time the starting QB for FSU. He has no conscience as in most people that do Jail time for HANIOUS CRIMES usually don’t! This kind of cover up has been a part of FSU way before Winston ever stepped foot on their Campus. I ask this though what kind of people run this Institution as in do they even care about all this stuff as in BAD Publicity to their School. SAD SCHOOL and I hope this Ducks team sends them back to Talahassee where they belong!

  • FishDuck

    Florida State fans: If you wish to disagree…do it in a civil way without name calling or insults. I just deleted two comments from a FSU fan who came in under two email addresses..but from the same computer and he cursed, and used horrendous names and insults–hence I blacklisted him.

    We like disagreement and discussion on FishDuck.com, but we are not like the other trash-talking sites. I don’t have to put up with that stuff, and I won’t.

    We have many articles about your teams up right now that are respectful and complimentary of your team–and you will see some more of that. You will also see some articles that you will NOT like in the next three days. Let’s keep it high-brow, and the same is expected of Oregon fans on this site.

    We do not insult writers or other readers who comment.

    • troy

      The only way i look at these articles is how espn wants to drag these kids through the mud. How would you feel if this was your kid or yourself. this is not espns bussiness who was arrested for what they need to stick to just sports. Everyone talks about fsu but what about the uf qb who raped a girl but charges were droped or the serial killer and gang banger (hernandez) who killed 3 people. My point is this petty stuff happens every where. Espn only cares because they’re sec biased and cant stand to see fsu keep losing.

      • Mike Merrell, FishDuck Editor

        It isn’t ESPN that is dragging these kids through the mud. They are dragging themselves through the mud. Don’t pass the blame.

        If it were I or my kid, I would be humiliated and embarrassed and do everything I could to set higher standards.

        Behavior of student athletes off the field is an important issue facing the sports world at this time, and ESPN should definitely be covering it.

        Rape, vandalism, hit-and-run driving and thievery are not petty stuff.

        For the most part, when it happens elsewhere, the institutions make every effort to deal with it constructively and legally. Florida State is not the only institution under federal investigation for Title IX violations relating to sexual assault. That FSU has company does not make it right.

        The bad publicity for FSU is a result of its avarice, not an ESPN/SEC plot. Own up to it.

        • Polaris Silvertree

          At the end of the day, ESPN like the NYT are what we call Media Entertainment. You and I sometimes refer to them as the news… But if you want to be objective about what is really going down with FSU and the truth — you first need to understand that in today’s great American society, the news isn’t driven by the tenets of journalistic integrity anymore. In fact, this year we are ranked #46 on the World Press Freedom Index.
          Why is that? Because our news is driven by other things — namely clicks via sensationalized drama, advertisements, etc. Check it.

          http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php

          So you say he did the research? Why is everything presented in such an over-simplified manner with very little sense of LEGAL objectivity (I totally understand and can appreciate a pro-Oregon spin on all blogs/articles here)? I think the article generally white-washes FSU athletes and over-simplifies each scenario as if the TPD was egregiously in the wrong in everything it did that basically the Feds should just arrest them all. Why not come out with it all (in the same time period) versus just select stories (with redacted or glossed over developments)?

          For starters — whats with the little paragraph educating all of us about the danger of pellet guns? As if to frame the issues in as dark and as grim of a picture as possible. How about the dismissal of Ukeme Eligwe, Ira Denson, or Greg Reid — all starters and future stars — all happening in the same time frame as these issues? All dealt swiftly and decisively IMHO by the TPD and all parties involved? What about the suspension of Matthew Thomas for much of the season based on violations from the championship game (where he was injured and not even playing)? What about the fact that Jesus Wilson was suspended basically the WHOLE season? I mean — he got reinstated what last week?? Finally the whole section entitled Rape? You paint a picture with only half the colors — never mind the fact that for whatever reason — both Meggs (known for throwing FSU players in the slammer no matter what) and a retired Supreme Court Justice with no known ties to FSU and respected as an objective arbiter ALONG with the TPD didn’t charge Jameis. And Jameis wasn’t even a star when this all transpired — it only surfaced when he was considered for the Heisman — how incredibly convenient? You don’t talk about the accusers changing story, the lies that were verified by the TPD by the accuser, the fact that there are pics of her and Winston pretty happy after the fact, or even the request for $7 million dollars to settle? What about the Florida Bar admonishing the attorney on the “the fix was on” comment because of what it implied? What about the fact that in the hit and run — despite the NYT using words like (fled the scene), both players came back on their own volition after 20-30 min? Listen, I know I’m not gonna convince any one who has already made up their mind — but for those who still have an open mind — here’s another side to it:

          http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/
          http://raleighco.com/writing/rooting-against-fsu-fix-jameis-winston/

          Here’s another one with regards to the hit and run…
          http://floridastate.scout.com/story/1494335-anatomy-of-a-new-york-times-hatchet-job

          Finally, while I am no FSU Alum — I have friends who went to FSU and NONE of this is FUN to them (or to me). Your author has a note at the bottom — suggesting that he’s been in law enforcement for 20+ years — as if to justify the tone and points of this article. I think it missed the mark. The issue of rape, and I think I speak for Nole fans, Oregan fans, and others alike — is one everyone takes VERY seriously. Every FSU fan I’ve met has told me that if Jameis is guilty — send him to jail period. No one wants a rapist on their team — and no one takes this game seriously enough to want to defend a rapist. But that’s the rub isn’t it? The facts (not the spin) don’t show rape — in fact its not even close — which is why Jameis hasn’t been charged. Yet, this article suggest its a good ole boy club in Tally. Maybe you guys are so far removed from the details and the situation — it may seem fun(ny) — I certainly don’t see it that way. Dismissing detractors because they don’t agree with the news because they are critically analyzing the documents (much which are made public) versus reading say the NYT seems par for the course these days. Ultimately, you telling fans and other spectators who don’t agree with how the news is spinning all of these threads “to own up” is extremely arrogant and very insensitive. Despite what you may think, I’m not here to defend FSU as I am here to defend what I believe is right.

          Lastly, I don’t mind if all your articles are anti-FSU. Heck, I don’t even mind if its designed to get Duck fans all riled up against the Noles. I just hope that come game time they get riled up for the right reasons and not base their anger, rants, etc on something that may be inaccurate or against someone(s) who may actually innocent. Thanks for reading.

  • Will Denner

    Where are the links to these incidents?

  • Duckly

    Oregon Ducks vs. the FSU Criminoles. Can’t wait!

    • espn sucks

      Be careful what you wish for. Were ready to eat duck

  • An Oregonian

    The saddest part is FSU fans inability to feel any humiliation at this dumpster fire.

  • maddog48

    There is a culture that exists in the South that places athletic success above everything else. Local law enforcement helps support this culture by giving a “free pass’ to many athletes in these college towns. It happens elsewhere. Unfortunately, we have seen this happen in PAC-12 cities, particularly in Seattle with the Huskies and the King County prosecutor’s office.

  • Will, I’ve added a whole slew of links. The best information comes from the NYT and Fox Sports. The link to the incident reports is the second one in the article and although I haven’t plowed through them all, it makes a fascinating, if not a disturbing read. If you need more links, let me know.

  • Kevin

    I love how ducks swear their football program is so righteous and full of saints. Everyone just wants someone to point fingers at and blame for everything. It’s okay at least our university doesn’t such academically AND athletically like University of Oregon. FSU will continue to be better than you guys. GO NOLES!

    • N1tr0

      You might want to use proper spelling when bringing up academics. ;) Just sayin’. Oh, and didn’t FSU just go through a huge academic scandal throughout their entire athletics dept.? Yeah, thought so.

      • Kevin

        Dude you’re talking about the athletic department of 2006. That was years ago. That has nothing to do with our current Seminoles or the Ducks today. Oh, and if no team has been better than the Ducks the past decade how come they have won any championships? I’ll wait….

        • N1tr0

          The scandal is still relevant to your post. Also, if you listen to JW for more than 15 seconds (if you can last that long) you could argue there is still an issue with academics there. Wow. Also, “over the past decade” is the key phrase there. Overall win-loss record. Like I said before, we’ll take care of the missing title this year.

          • Kevin

            WOW! Just type in “University of Oregon scandal” into Google and the Ducks athletic department isn’t so righteous after all. LOL You guys sure like to point fingers at FSU don’t you? Haha

          • N1tr0

            Dude, you were one on here bragging about FSU’s academics. Are you always this slow?

          • Kevin

            No I’m not slow because i don’t go to the University of Oregon. Our academics are better. You wanted to bring up scandals as if that diminished any of our academics at all. We might not have the brightest athletes in the nation but they sure were smart enough to outwit any football team in the nation and become champions for the third time.

    • N1tr0

      No team in the FBS has been better as the Ducks over the past decade. The only thing missing is an NC and we’ll take care of that this year.

  • bob

    Its kind of convenient that the “new” story abouot winston and the new story about cook, marshall, and wilson have no links. This is another hatchet job with some facts scattered throughout. Especially the whole section about the “rape” as its convientant how your facts only fit one narrative. You mention how it gave winston camp time to coach up 2 witnesses but it doesnt mention how the accusers camp also coached up too witnesses. How come doesnt fit your narrative?!

  • bob

    There is a semi final game coming up. You should be talking about that because that is all that matters until it is finished and then after that oregon people can go back into their hole in the corner of the country and write all about how the big bad fsu with all of its corruption and criminoles beat them in the rose bowl. Now that would make for a good story for your readers.

  • ArnoldZiffell

    I am an FSU Grad and as far back as I can remember the TPD and FSU have NEVER had any kind of close relationship. I warn every incoming student that I come in contact with to watch what they do or say to a TPD officer. They now have a new Chief who did not have anything to do with the Winston case, I think he can change the culture. If you take some time to research bad behavior by football players you would find that GA leads the list of 30 schools FSU was 23rd and I am not happy with that the U of Miami was not listed. I don’t know about the writer or his background but I do know the NCAA is responsible for some of the problems that have occurred. At 17 /18 I was not mature enough to live on my own and these kids (and most are) need SUPERVISION but the NCAA rule will NOT let them be segregated. I also know Monk I plan to verify your information about him, I have never heard this and I find it hard to believe.

  • douglas fur

    Does this article belong on fishduck? Is it about Oregon football? Sure, FSU is the next game but we meet them on a football field not in court. FSU seems to be doing a good job of looking bad without our help. ESPN may well be pumping up the “good guy vs. bad guy” story to bring in more viewers. They paid lot$ for their bowl game monopoly and need to turn a profit.
    Some one has mentioned a Southern culture of leniency towards football players. Is this limited to the south or does it a part of college sports? A google search for “Oregon football players investigated” is encouraging or are allegations well swept under the carpet? This might be an appropriate article about Oregon Football but I’d rather see it done as investigative reporting. On a fan site it can be dismissed as boosterism.
    Finally being a fan is escapism. Too much of the real world takes the fun out of it.
    DRB ’74

  • N1tr0

    Not sure why one of my posts got deleted. Anyway, here is a link to a story about FSU students trying to cover up the hit and run: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/14/fsu-fans-attempt-to-bury-hit-and-run-story-on-social-media/

  • N1tr0

    Hey FishDuck, twice I have left a comment with a link to an article about FSU students trying to cover up the hit and run incident and both times it was removed. It’s pertinent to the article and isn’t vulgar so why aren’t you allowing it? Thanks and keep up the great articles.

    • N1tr0

      And you did it again. Do you just not allow links in your comments? How about posting some rules so we aren’t wasting our time? Maybe just remove the ability to comment altogether and just stick to articles?

  • UOisNotInnocent

    Remember that time Oregon was placed on probation for paying 25k to a third party to sway a player from TX to come to Oregon?

  • mark

    I live in florida this state is a corrupt dump the gov. Rick scott is known for medicare fraud and criminal behavior we really dislike him stay away from florida but if come to visit make sure you study your bill of rights florida does not care about your legal rights