Why There Is No Need to Hate Florida State


Last week, I listed Florida State as the biggest villain Oregon has faced in recent memory. When their pairing with the Ducks was announced for the playoff, Oregon fans rejoiced at the ultimate matchup of good versus evil.  As I sat down to write this week, I was fully prepared to crank up the hate machine and fire off a list of reasons to hate Florida State.

And then, the holidays happened.

Holidays are about gathering with those we love, either physically or virtually, and reminding ourselves of what really matters in life. Many celebrate Christmas, and for those that don’t, the days off still provide the opportunity to connect with loved ones. The world slows down, we gather with those we care about, and suddenly the idea of animosity for a bunch of people who went to a different college thousands of miles away over a football game seems absurd. If literal mortal enemies could call a truce on Christmas, football fans can achieve any form of humanity.

When the hostile emotions of the matchup are stripped away and replaced with the positivity of the holidays, combined with the existing knowledge of why we hated an opponent in the first place, and only one feeling remains: Pity.

Instead of hating Florida State, we should feel sorry for them.

Doak Campbell Stadium

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Doak Campbell Stadium

Feel sorry for Florida State University. The school that was once known as the “Florida State College for Women” has become a national symbol for the tolerance of women being mistreated.  Feel sorry for the students and alumni who either hold zero interest in the football team or who don’t approve of the university’s handling of all the activity on the periphery of the football program; who whenever they are asked “where did you go to college?” prepare for the look they know is coming when they say “Florida State.”

Feel sorry for the administrators at Florida State whose dominant emotion is fear: So concerned about their own jobs that they allow what is occurring within the football program to dictate the reputation of the university. So afraid that they won’t find a better head coach than Jimbo Fisher that not only do they not hold him accountable for his handling of what’s occurring within his program, they looked at how he has handled the program and decided, “You know what? We need eight more years of this.”

Jimbo Fisher

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Jimbo Fisher

Feel sorry for Jimbo Fisher, who despite winning a national championship, still feels so insecure about the need to win that he exhibits zero interest in resolving the off-field incidents of his players. Or feel sorry that he feels so compelled to sell this attitude that he pushes the propagandizing task onto his family.  Mostly, feel for him that unless something significantly changes the direction of his career, his legacy will always be tied to the controversial quarterback he brought to Tallahassee, Jameis Winston.

Yes, even feel sorry for Jameis Winston. Winston is draft eligible and expected to declare following this season, which means he will hold his first full-time job and by societal definition be classified as “an adult.” Yet those who were responsible for shepherding his transition into adulthood have failed to provide him with the structure necessary to become a proper member of society. Feel for the women who will have to interact with a man with his definition of consent.  Feel for the teammates who have a quarterback like him as the example for his team, letting them know they can get away with the same. First, it was Bobo Wilson and Karlos Williams, and now we learn about Dalvin Cook as part of public records request the Tallahassee Police Department furtively released on Christmas Eve.

Tallahassee Police

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Tallahassee Police

About that Tallahassee Police Department, we can feel sorry for them, too.  Like any police department, the majority of the sworn officers of the TPD are decent, hard-working individuals who go to work every day to uphold the law. Yet for those types within the TPD they have to have their reputation sullied by the rogue members of their department. Feel for those rogue members, too, who are so consumed by a desire to see the local football team succeed that they have completely lost perspective on the responsibility of their jobs; that they have prioritized the freedom of athletes over upholding justice for very citizens they have sworn to protect.

Feel sorry for the citizens of Tallahassee, who not only have to live in Tallahassee, but have to live with the knowledge that an organization as corrupt as the Tallahassee PD is tasked with protecting their safety. Many of those citizens are Florida State fans, and we should feel for them as well.

For those Florida State fans that are level-headed and respectful, it has to be hard to have the reputation of their fanbase be known as the craziest of the crazy. Known by the name ”FSUTwitter” who are so insecure that despite being the defending national champions and riding a 29-game winning streak, yet still feel compelled to defend any criticism of the Seminoles as evidence of bias and personal attacks against their program.

They attack those who dare to question the actions of individuals on the team as an assault on the team themselves. They frequently resort to arguments or tactics that go outside the lines of proper human behavior, or do so on a greater scale than any other fanbase is known for behaving.

For example:

Don’t hate Florida State and their football team for all they have wrought, they are simply a collection of misguided individuals who got lost and stumbled onto a 29-game win streak amidst some inferior competition. Clearly they need guidance to right their path, needing to hit bottom to find their way. Should Florida State lose Thursday, they will possess neither the moral nor scoreboard high ground.  If that happens, it will be the Ducks who will help them find that bottom.

All images, including the top image, from video.

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  • Mel VanBuskirk

    Do you really believe this?

  • Tallaman

    Mostly I feel sorry for you, NATHAN ROHOLT, that you have ignored the facts of the case on Jameis Winston that you have misled all three of your readers in this article. Let me remind you that FSU is the reigning national champ, FSU’s 3rd national championship while Oregon is still looking for its first. I feel sorry for duck fans that have that empty feeling of longing for that elusive big game win, with the knowledge that the ducks will choke again, like every year, against a superior team with size, strength and speed the ducks cannot match. Oregon must win the line of scrimmage against a D line bigger and faster than any they have faced in the weak PAC12, and they must pressure Winston and force turnovers with a weak defense that barely enable the O minded ducks to hang on for wins, well except for one game. Go Noles! D2D.

    • Teds

      You do realize you are literally making his point for him. Also no one from the ACC has any ground to call the PAC 12 weak, considering the PAC 12 is miles ahead of the ACC in terms of conference power rankings http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/99684/no-2-conference-left-out-of-playoff

    • hokieduck

      Tallaman. You have come onto Duck threads here and the Oregonian for a week now, spouting the same things. Fortunately, based on interviews I have heard with many of your players, your football team seems to think the same way you do… and that is an immeasurable advantage for the Ducks.

      You, as most folks in the East and Southeast, are so region-centric that you discount football outside the Red block. You discount everyone else so much that your actual knowledge of other programs is born from reading and media clips not from watching games or looking at meaningful numbers.

      But the proof is in the pudding. FSU is an incredibly gifted football team. Your accomplishment of winning 29 games in succession is historic and mind-boggling really. That streak must some day come to an end, however. The Ducks “small, slow, weak” trenches are going to surprise you, I am betting. Your New Year may very well give you a second hangover to get through on Thursday… only this one will hurt a lot more and a lot longer.

      Good luck and may both teams play a great game devoid of injury.

      Go Ducks! WTD!

    • Duckfan in VA

      What do you say now, tallaman? FSU is a classless program. The majority of your players didn’t congratulate the victors after they were beaten down.

  • hokieduck

    Even if one truly believes each and every point you made in this post, was this really necessary?

    Fishduck appeals to most of us because it is a tremendous place to go for the kind of football analysis that one doesn’t get from most media outlets. The rest of the internet can wallow in finger-pointing, but I, for one, would rather it not be here.

    All else aside, Thursday will be a football game played within the white lines. The football team from Florida State is an incredibly athletically gifted group. More so than the Ducks actually, on an individual basis. They will play the game with an immense chip on their collective shoulder due to stories like this one and their perception of the Committee having “disrespected” them. Unlike how they played for most of the season, they will not be casual when they step onto the field at the Rose Bowl. The Ducks will get the real Florida State, the Florida State of the second half of games.

    I think the Ducks are a better *team* than the Seminoles, but they will have to play championship quality football, no turnovers, few penalties, for 60 full minutes becasue history will not remember much of what you wrote in this post. It will, however, remember the score at the end of the game.

    Go Ducks! These are the (potentially) two match-ups I wanted for the Ducks this post season. Now we have to play the game(s). And Win The Day!